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From this, it is obvious that <math>\scriptstyle D_3/H</math> is also Abelian. However, <math>\scriptstyle D_3</math> is not Abelian. For example, <math>\scriptstyle R_{120}F_1\,\,=\,\,F_2</math>, but <math>\scriptstyle F_1R_{120}\,\,=\,\,F_3</math>. Thus, given a normal Abelian subgroup <math>\scriptstyle H</math> of <math>\scriptstyle G</math> such that <math>\scriptstyle G/H</math> is Abelian, <math>\scriptstyle G</math> need not be Abelian as well. <math>\scriptstyle \Box</math>
 
From this, it is obvious that <math>\scriptstyle D_3/H</math> is also Abelian. However, <math>\scriptstyle D_3</math> is not Abelian. For example, <math>\scriptstyle R_{120}F_1\,\,=\,\,F_2</math>, but <math>\scriptstyle F_1R_{120}\,\,=\,\,F_3</math>. Thus, given a normal Abelian subgroup <math>\scriptstyle H</math> of <math>\scriptstyle G</math> such that <math>\scriptstyle G/H</math> is Abelian, <math>\scriptstyle G</math> need not be Abelian as well. <math>\scriptstyle \Box</math>
 
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Do you have to use a Cayley table for this problem? Or is there another way to do it? When should Cayley tables be used?
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--[[User:Awika|Awika]] 17:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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Caylee tables are always a safe bet, especially if you are a visual person like myself.
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What is the exact definition of Abelian.  I don't understand the significance of it being Abelian I guess.
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--[[User:Lmiddlet|Lmiddlet]] 23:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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I have the same question as Lmiddlet.  What is the meaning of Abelian?  Thanks!  --[[User:Eraymond|Eraymond]] 25:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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A group is Abelian if its Cayley table is symmetric. That is, any two members of the group are commutative. <math>D_3</math> is not Abelian because, for example, <math>F_1*R_{240} \not= R_{240}*F1</math>. If you examine the groups <math>\{R_0,R_{120},R_{240}\}</math> and <math>\{H,F_1H\}</math>, you'll find that any two members are commutative.
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Saying a group is Abelian just means that it is commutative, for example, ab=ba for all choices of a and b within the group.
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Latest revision as of 15:01, 19 February 2009

Let $ \scriptstyle H $ be a normal subgroup of $ \scriptstyle G $. If $ \scriptstyle H $ and $ \scriptstyle G/H $ are Abelian, must $ \scriptstyle G $ be Abelian?


You need only show a counterexample to the claim: "Given a normal Abelian subgroup $ \scriptstyle H $ of $ \scriptstyle G $ such that $ \scriptstyle G/H $ is Abelian, $ \scriptstyle G $ must also be Abelian." The book cites $ \scriptstyle D_3 $ as such a counterexample.

$ \scriptstyle D_3 $ has the following 6 elements:
$ \scriptstyle R_0\,\,:\,\,ABC\to ABC\,\,\,\,R_{120}\,\,:\,\,ABC\to CAB\,\,\,\,R_{240}\,\,:\,\,ABC\to BCA $
$ \scriptstyle F_1\,\,:\,\,ABC\to CBA\,\,\,\,F_2\,\,:\,\,ABC\to BAC\,\,\,\,F_3\,\,:\,\,ABC\to ACB $

Its Cayley table is:

$ \textstyle D_3 $   $ \textstyle R_0 $ $ \textstyle R_{120} $ $ \textstyle R_{240} $ $ \textstyle F_1 $ $ \textstyle F_2 $ $ \textstyle F_3 $
$ \textstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $
$ \textstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $
$ \textstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $
$ \textstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $
$ \textstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $
$ \textstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle F_3 $ $ \scriptstyle F_2 $ $ \scriptstyle F_1 $ $ \scriptstyle R_{240} $ $ \scriptstyle R_{120} $ $ \scriptstyle R_0 $

Let $ \scriptstyle H = \{R_0,R_{120},R_{240}\} $. From the Cayley table of $ \scriptstyle D_3 $, it's clear that $ \scriptstyle H $ is Abelian. $ \scriptstyle|D_3:H|\,=\,2 $, so we know that $ \scriptstyle H\triangleleft D_3 $ (we proved this in the previous exercise). $ \scriptstyle D_3/H $ is then $ \scriptstyle \{H,F_1H\} $. The Cayley table for $ \scriptstyle D_3/H $ is:

$ \scriptstyle D_3/H $ $ \scriptstyle H $ $ \scriptstyle F_1H $
$ \scriptstyle H $ $ \scriptstyle H $ $ \scriptstyle F_1H $
$ \scriptstyle F_1H $ $ \scriptstyle F_1H $ $ \scriptstyle H $

From this, it is obvious that $ \scriptstyle D_3/H $ is also Abelian. However, $ \scriptstyle D_3 $ is not Abelian. For example, $ \scriptstyle R_{120}F_1\,\,=\,\,F_2 $, but $ \scriptstyle F_1R_{120}\,\,=\,\,F_3 $. Thus, given a normal Abelian subgroup $ \scriptstyle H $ of $ \scriptstyle G $ such that $ \scriptstyle G/H $ is Abelian, $ \scriptstyle G $ need not be Abelian as well. $ \scriptstyle \Box $

--Nick Rupley 14:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)



Do you have to use a Cayley table for this problem? Or is there another way to do it? When should Cayley tables be used? --Awika 17:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


Caylee tables are always a safe bet, especially if you are a visual person like myself.

-- Dane DeSutter


What is the exact definition of Abelian. I don't understand the significance of it being Abelian I guess. --Lmiddlet 23:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


I have the same question as Lmiddlet. What is the meaning of Abelian? Thanks! --Eraymond 25:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


A group is Abelian if its Cayley table is symmetric. That is, any two members of the group are commutative. $ D_3 $ is not Abelian because, for example, $ F_1*R_{240} \not= R_{240}*F1 $. If you examine the groups $ \{R_0,R_{120},R_{240}\} $ and $ \{H,F_1H\} $, you'll find that any two members are commutative.

Saying a group is Abelian just means that it is commutative, for example, ab=ba for all choices of a and b within the group.

--kmmorley

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