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= Question about computing the inverse z-transform=
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I'm not sure if I've done this correctly in the first place. I would like your input before I actually attempt to inverse it. 0
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Topic: Computing an inverse z-transform
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:I fixed it. Now it works. For future references, [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Displaying_a_formula here] is a good page to bookmark: it explains how to use latex in mediawiki, and gives many examples that you can cut and paste. -pm
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== Computation of inverse z-transform by a student (with question about how to obtain ROC)=
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==Question from a student==
Take <math>x[n] = a^n(u[n-2]+u[n]) </math>. We then have
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Take <math>x[n] = a^n\left( u[n-2]+u[n]\right) </math>. We then have
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==Comments/corrections from [[user:mboutin|Prof. Mimi]]==
 
==Comments/corrections from [[user:mboutin|Prof. Mimi]]==
 
Take <math>x[n] = a^n(u[n-2]+u[n]) </math>. We then have
 
Take <math>x[n] = a^n(u[n-2]+u[n]) </math>. We then have
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&= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty a^n(u[n-2]+u[n])z^{-n},  {\color{OliveGreen}\surd}  \\
 
&= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty a^n(u[n-2]+u[n])z^{-n},  {\color{OliveGreen}\surd}  \\
 
&= \sum_{n=2}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}) + \sum_{n=0}^\infty  a^n(z^{-n}). {\color{OliveGreen}\surd} \\
 
&= \sum_{n=2}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}) + \sum_{n=0}^\infty  a^n(z^{-n}). {\color{OliveGreen}\surd} \\
\text{Now let }k=-n, \\
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\text{Now let }k=-n,& {\color{red}\text{This change of variable is not useful, unfortunately.}} \\
\Rightarrow X(z) &= \sum_{k=-2}^\infty (a/z)^{\color{red}n} + \sum_{k=0}^\infty  (a/z)^{\color{red}n} ,{\color{red}\text{Oops! The terms inside the summation contain n, but the summation is over k.}} \\
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\Rightarrow X(z) &= \sum_{k=-2}^{\color{red}-\infty} (a/z)^{\color{red}n} + \sum_{k=0}^\infty  (a/z)^{\color{red}n} ,{\color{red}\text{The terms inside the summation contain n, but the summation is over k.}} \\
&=\sum_{k=0}^\infty   \left( (a/z)^n + 2)\right) + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \left( \frac{a}{z}\right)^n \\
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&=\sum_{k=0}^{\color{red}-\infty\left( (a/z)^n {\color{red} -(a/z)^{-2}-(a/z)^{-1}} )\right) + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \left( \frac{a}{z}\right)^n \\
& = \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}+2\right) + \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}\right), \\
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& = \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}+{\color{red} -(a/z)^{-2}-(a/z)^{-1}} )\right) + \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}\right), {\color{red}\text{For this last step, you need to assume } \left| \frac{a}{z}\right|<1, \text{ else both sums diverge.}}  
& =  \frac{z}{z-a}+2 + \frac{z}{z-a}\\
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& = \frac{z}{z-a}+2\frac{z-a}{z-a} + \frac{z}{z-a} , \\
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& = \frac{4z-2a}{z-a}\\
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& = \frac{4-2a/z}{1-a/z}, \text{ for } |z| < a ???
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\end{align}
 
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To answer your initial question ("if I end up with something that says 1/1-(1/z), I am confused. does it converge when |z|>a or when |z|<a?"),   
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<span style="color:green"> The answer to your initial question ("if I end up with something that says 1/1-(1/z), I am confused. does it converge when |z|>a or when |z|<a?") is in the last step. As you can see from this step, X(z) only converges if
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|a|<|z|. Note that, since a could be a complex number, it is important not to say a< |z|</span>
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A good way to check your answer is to use the Z-transform table. You can use the time shift property on the first term (a^n *u[n-2]) and the second term (a^n *u[n]) can be directly converted using the table. Your final answer should match up with what you ended with above. -[[User:sbiddand|Sbiddand]]
  
 
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Answer from Prof. MImi
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Anybody see anything else? Do you have more questions? Comments? Please feel free to add below.
 
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*In the step where you replaced -n by k, you forgot to replace the n inside the summation. Also, the first sum should then go from -2 to -infinity, instead of infinity.
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*Actually, I do not see why you replaced -n by k in both sums. IN the first sum, you should have set k=n-2. In the second sum, you did not need to make any change of variable.
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*The arrow in the middle of your computations, and the one towards the end should both be replaced by equal signs.
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*The simplification of the first summation following the arrow is incorrect: you would need to add two terms instead of just one.
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*The equality following the arrow is only valid when |z|&gt;|a|.You must write this next to the equality!
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*This explanation would be much clearer if you had typed in your answer: this way I could make notes directly inside the computations and cross-out and replace stuff using different colors.
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What if we find a mistake in our computation of the Z transform in the last homework? Do we work with the wrong Z transform and end up with something that isn't the x[n] we chose for that question on homework 2 or do we take the correct Z transform for that x[n] that we chose in homework 2 and then calculate the inverse Z transform?
  
Anybody sees anything else? Do you have more questions?
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VG
  
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:No, use the correct answer instead. (I recommend checking all your answers using  a table of z-transforms). --[[User:Mboutin|Mboutin]] 19:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 
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Latest revision as of 11:44, 26 November 2013

Practice Question on "Digital Signal Processing"

Topic: Computing an inverse z-transform


Question from a student

Take $ x[n] = a^n\left( u[n-2]+u[n]\right) $. We then have

$ \begin{align} X(z) &= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty x[n]z^{-n} \text{ (by definition of the z-transform)},\\ &= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty a^n(u[n-2]+u[n])z^{-n}, \\ &= \sum_{n=2}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}) + \sum_{n=0}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}). \\ \text{Now let }k=-n, \\ \Rightarrow X(z) &= \sum_{k=-2}^\infty (a/z)^n + \sum_{k=0}^\infty (a/z)^n ,\\ &=\sum_{k=0}^\infty \left( (a/z)^n + 2)\right) + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \left( \frac{a}{z}\right)^n \\ & = \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}+2\right) + \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}\right), \\ & = \frac{z}{z-a}+2 + \frac{z}{z-a}, \\ & = \frac{z}{z-a}+2\frac{z-a}{z-a} + \frac{z}{z-a} , \\ & = \frac{4z-2a}{z-a}, \\ & = \frac{4-2a/z}{1-a/z}, \text{ for } |z|<a ??? \end{align} $

So if I end up with something that says 1/1-(1/z), I am confused. does it converge when |z|>a or when |z|<a?

~ksoong

Comments/corrections from Prof. Mimi

Take $ x[n] = a^n(u[n-2]+u[n]) $. We then have $ \begin{align} X(z) &= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty x[n]z^{-n} \text{ (by definition of the z-transform)}, {\color{OliveGreen}\surd}\\ &= \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty a^n(u[n-2]+u[n])z^{-n}, {\color{OliveGreen}\surd} \\ &= \sum_{n=2}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}) + \sum_{n=0}^\infty a^n(z^{-n}). {\color{OliveGreen}\surd} \\ \text{Now let }k=-n,& {\color{red}\text{This change of variable is not useful, unfortunately.}} \\ \Rightarrow X(z) &= \sum_{k=-2}^{\color{red}-\infty} (a/z)^{\color{red}n} + \sum_{k=0}^\infty (a/z)^{\color{red}n} ,{\color{red}\text{The terms inside the summation contain n, but the summation is over k.}} \\ &=\sum_{k=0}^{\color{red}-\infty} \left( (a/z)^n {\color{red} -(a/z)^{-2}-(a/z)^{-1}} )\right) + \sum_{k=0}^\infty \left( \frac{a}{z}\right)^n \\ & = \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}+{\color{red} -(a/z)^{-2}-(a/z)^{-1}} )\right) + \left(\frac{1}{1-a/z}\right), {\color{red}\text{For this last step, you need to assume } \left| \frac{a}{z}\right|<1, \text{ else both sums diverge.}} \end{align} $

The answer to your initial question ("if I end up with something that says 1/1-(1/z), I am confused. does it converge when |z|>a or when |z|<a?") is in the last step. As you can see from this step, X(z) only converges if |a|<|z|. Note that, since a could be a complex number, it is important not to say a< |z|


A good way to check your answer is to use the Z-transform table. You can use the time shift property on the first term (a^n *u[n-2]) and the second term (a^n *u[n]) can be directly converted using the table. Your final answer should match up with what you ended with above. -Sbiddand


Anybody see anything else? Do you have more questions? Comments? Please feel free to add below.


What if we find a mistake in our computation of the Z transform in the last homework? Do we work with the wrong Z transform and end up with something that isn't the x[n] we chose for that question on homework 2 or do we take the correct Z transform for that x[n] that we chose in homework 2 and then calculate the inverse Z transform?

VG

No, use the correct answer instead. (I recommend checking all your answers using a table of z-transforms). --Mboutin 19:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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