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==Question==
 
A student in [[ECE301]] once wrote the following formula on his exam:
 
A student in [[ECE301]] once wrote the following formula on his exam:
  
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===Answer 1===
 
===Answer 1===
 
First we know the summation of an infinity geometric series:
 
First we know the summation of an infinity geometric series:
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<math> \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \frac{1}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right|  < 1</math>;      (eq1)
 
<math> \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \frac{1}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right|  < 1</math>;      (eq1)
  
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//Did I make any mistake in the N+1 part?
 
//Did I make any mistake in the N+1 part?
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:<span style="color:green">TA's comments: Looks good. How about <math>|\alpha|>1\ or\ |\alpha|=1\ ?</math></span>
  
 
//ahhh, the series is finite, so the condition <math>\left| \alpha\right| < 1</math> doesn't  necessarily hold. but it requires an other approach with  
 
//ahhh, the series is finite, so the condition <math>\left| \alpha\right| < 1</math> doesn't  necessarily hold. but it requires an other approach with  
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Anyone want to finish it for me? Thanks
 
Anyone want to finish it for me? Thanks
  
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:<span style="color:green">TA's comments: Actually, when the geometric series is finite length, we can write the sum in one closed form as long as the common ratio is not equal to 1. Can someone try to write down the equation?</span>
 
===Answer 2===
 
===Answer 2===
Write it here.
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<math> \sum_{n=0}^{M-1} \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha - \alpha^M}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right|  < 1</math>;      (eq1)
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<math> \sum_{n=0}^{N} \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha - \alpha^{N-1}}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right|  < 1</math>;      (eq2)
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  (eq2) - (eq1) = <math>\sum_{n = M}^N \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha^M - \alpha^{N-1}}{(1 - \alpha)}</math>
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M and N also need to be positive integers for this argument
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===Answer 3===
 
===Answer 3===
Write it here
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This fomular is wrong. To see that, let N=M+1
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the correct fomular should be
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<math>\sum_{n = M}^N \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha^M - \alpha^{N+1}}{(1 - \alpha)}</math> when a!=1
 
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Practice Question on "Digital Signal Processing"

Topic: Review of infinite summations


Question

A student in ECE301 once wrote the following formula on his exam:

$ \sum_{n = M}^N \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha^M - \alpha^{N-1}}{(1 - \alpha)} $

Is this formula correct? For what values of the parameters is the formula valid? Please comment.


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Answer 1

First we know the summation of an infinity geometric series:

$ \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \frac{1}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $; (eq1)

so we can compute

$ \sum_{n=M}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \left( \alpha \right)^M \frac{1}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $; (eq2)

similarly,

$ \sum_{n=N+1}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \left( \alpha \right)^{N+1} \frac{1}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $; (eq3)

then we can substract eq3 from eq2, if N+1> M

$ \sum_{n=M}^{\infty} \alpha^n - \sum_{n=N+1}^{\infty} \alpha^n = \frac{{\left( \alpha \right)^M } - {\left( \alpha \right)^{N+1}}}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $;

for N larger or equal to M, $ \left| \alpha\right| < 1 $, the equation above holds.


//Did I make any mistake in the N+1 part?

TA's comments: Looks good. How about $ |\alpha|>1\ or\ |\alpha|=1\ ? $

//ahhh, the series is finite, so the condition $ \left| \alpha\right| < 1 $ doesn't necessarily hold. but it requires an other approach with

$ \sum_{n=-\infty}^{0} \alpha^n = \frac{1}{(1 - \frac{1}{\alpha})} , \left| \alpha \right| > 1 $;

Anyone want to finish it for me? Thanks

TA's comments: Actually, when the geometric series is finite length, we can write the sum in one closed form as long as the common ratio is not equal to 1. Can someone try to write down the equation?

Answer 2

$ \sum_{n=0}^{M-1} \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha - \alpha^M}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $; (eq1)

$ \sum_{n=0}^{N} \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha - \alpha^{N-1}}{(1 - \alpha)} , \left| \alpha \right| < 1 $; (eq2)

 (eq2) - (eq1) = $ \sum_{n = M}^N \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha^M - \alpha^{N-1}}{(1 - \alpha)} $

M and N also need to be positive integers for this argument


Answer 3

This fomular is wrong. To see that, let N=M+1 the correct fomular should be

$ \sum_{n = M}^N \alpha^n = \frac{\alpha^M - \alpha^{N+1}}{(1 - \alpha)} $ when a!=1


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