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For this problem you have to use theorem 8.1 in the book. It states that |(a,b)| = lcm(|a|,|b|). In this case we want to find the subgroups so that |(a,b)| = 15 = lcm(|a|,|b|). First we must find valid values for a and b so that lcm(|a|,|b|) = 15. The 3 subgroups of Z_90 x Z_36 that we can use are {(15,1), (15,3), (5,3)}. Now that we have the 3 subgroups we must find their corresponding elements and count them all.<br> | For this problem you have to use theorem 8.1 in the book. It states that |(a,b)| = lcm(|a|,|b|). In this case we want to find the subgroups so that |(a,b)| = 15 = lcm(|a|,|b|). First we must find valid values for a and b so that lcm(|a|,|b|) = 15. The 3 subgroups of Z_90 x Z_36 that we can use are {(15,1), (15,3), (5,3)}. Now that we have the 3 subgroups we must find their corresponding elements and count them all.<br> | ||
(15,1) = {(6,12,18,...,84), (0)}, notice that this is just {(1*90/15, 2*90/15,...,14*90/15), (0)}<br> | (15,1) = {(6,12,18,...,84), (0)}, notice that this is just {(1*90/15, 2*90/15,...,14*90/15), (0)}<br> | ||
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By iterating all of these subgroups we can notice that there is an overlap between (15,3) and (5,3) namely {(18,36,54,72), (12,24)}<br> | By iterating all of these subgroups we can notice that there is an overlap between (15,3) and (5,3) namely {(18,36,54,72), (12,24)}<br> | ||
We can remedy this by ignoring the subgroup (5,3) so that it is not counted twice. Counting the remaining subgroups we get:<br> | We can remedy this by ignoring the subgroup (5,3) so that it is not counted twice. Counting the remaining subgroups we get:<br> | ||
− | |(15,1)| + |(15,3)| = 14*1 + 14*2 = 42. | + | |(15,1)| + |(15,3)| = 14*1 + 14*2 = 42.<br> |
+ | --[[User:Jniederh|Jniederh]] 00:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
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+ | Any cyclic subgroup of order 15 has <math>\scriptstyle\phi(15)\ =\ </math> 8 elements of order 15, so the number of elements of order 15 in <math>\scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36}</math> must be divisible by 8. | ||
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+ | I found the number of order 15 elements by looking at these mutually exclusive cases: | ||
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+ | '''Case 1:''' |a| = 15, |b| = 1 or 3 | ||
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+ | According to the Euler totient function, there are 8 choices for a, and 1+2 = 3 choices for b, giving a total of 8*3 = 24 elements in this case. | ||
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+ | '''Case 2:''' |a| = 5, |b| = 3 | ||
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+ | Here we have 4 choices for a and 2 choices for b, so in total 8 elements. | ||
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+ | So there are 24+8 = 32 elements of order 15 in <math>\scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36}</math>. By Theorem 4.4 every cyclic subgroup of order 15 has 8 unique generators, that is, 8 elements of order 15 unique to that subgroup. So, there are 32/8 = 4 cyclic subgroups of order 15 in <math>\scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36}</math>. | ||
+ | :--[[User:Narupley|Nick Rupley]] 01:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
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+ | Yea, I was counting the elements of order 15 rather than the subgroups of order 15, but I don't know if yours is right, Nick. It seems that for the subgroup to be of order 15 then it would have elements of order 1,3,5,and 15 namely the elements I iterated previously. That is to say that I found 3 subgroups of Z_90 x Z_36, however (5,3) was a subgroup of (15,3) so really there are only 2 distinct subgroups of order 15 in Z_90 x Z_36. I may be missing something fundamental here but I assumed that was the approach we should take.<br> | ||
+ | --[[User:Jniederh|Jniederh]] 14:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 09:58, 26 February 2009
For this problem you have to use theorem 8.1 in the book. It states that |(a,b)| = lcm(|a|,|b|). In this case we want to find the subgroups so that |(a,b)| = 15 = lcm(|a|,|b|). First we must find valid values for a and b so that lcm(|a|,|b|) = 15. The 3 subgroups of Z_90 x Z_36 that we can use are {(15,1), (15,3), (5,3)}. Now that we have the 3 subgroups we must find their corresponding elements and count them all.
(15,1) = {(6,12,18,...,84), (0)}, notice that this is just {(1*90/15, 2*90/15,...,14*90/15), (0)}
(15,3) = {(6,12,18,...,84), (12,24)}
(5,3) = {(18,36,54,72), (12,24)}, again notice this is {(1*90/5,...,4*90/5), (12,24)}
By iterating all of these subgroups we can notice that there is an overlap between (15,3) and (5,3) namely {(18,36,54,72), (12,24)}
We can remedy this by ignoring the subgroup (5,3) so that it is not counted twice. Counting the remaining subgroups we get:
|(15,1)| + |(15,3)| = 14*1 + 14*2 = 42.
--Jniederh 00:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Any cyclic subgroup of order 15 has $ \scriptstyle\phi(15)\ =\ $ 8 elements of order 15, so the number of elements of order 15 in $ \scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36} $ must be divisible by 8.
I found the number of order 15 elements by looking at these mutually exclusive cases:
Case 1: |a| = 15, |b| = 1 or 3
According to the Euler totient function, there are 8 choices for a, and 1+2 = 3 choices for b, giving a total of 8*3 = 24 elements in this case.
Case 2: |a| = 5, |b| = 3
Here we have 4 choices for a and 2 choices for b, so in total 8 elements.
So there are 24+8 = 32 elements of order 15 in $ \scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36} $. By Theorem 4.4 every cyclic subgroup of order 15 has 8 unique generators, that is, 8 elements of order 15 unique to that subgroup. So, there are 32/8 = 4 cyclic subgroups of order 15 in $ \scriptstyle Z_{90}\oplus Z_{36} $.
- --Nick Rupley 01:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Yea, I was counting the elements of order 15 rather than the subgroups of order 15, but I don't know if yours is right, Nick. It seems that for the subgroup to be of order 15 then it would have elements of order 1,3,5,and 15 namely the elements I iterated previously. That is to say that I found 3 subgroups of Z_90 x Z_36, however (5,3) was a subgroup of (15,3) so really there are only 2 distinct subgroups of order 15 in Z_90 x Z_36. I may be missing something fundamental here but I assumed that was the approach we should take.
--Jniederh 14:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)